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Undercoat or regular undercarriage washes in New England winter?

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Undercoating vs regular undercarriage wash

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#1 ·
I just got a new '22 Canyon, and the dealer offered undercoating for $599. They say it lasts 7 years. I live in Maine, so there's no shortage of salt on the roads in winter, so I'm debating whether it's worth it. After searching this forum, it seems the majority of people say our factory corrosion treatment is plenty good, and the most important thing is to give our trucks a good undercarriage wash after winter. In fact, many members say it can actually be worse than not undercoating it.

I see a lot of newer trucks around Maine with rusted out wheel wells and door sills, and I have to wonder if that's just from negligence. I traded in my '15 Cadillac ATS for my Canyon, and the only rust was on the oil pan; the frame was perfect. I would imagine GM does similar treatment on GMCs and Caddys, but I'm not sure.

I also run my vehicles through a touchless car wash about every 1-2 weeks in winter specifically for the undercarriage wash. Is it safe to say that that a regimen of doing the car wash every 1-2 weeks and a good underbody wash in spring is sufficient?
 
#2 ·
sounds like you have a system that works for you in your area.
up in my neck of the woods salt sand and calcium are used in abundance. my last truck went to Krown early fall every year for the 1st 4 years, then I continued to under coat it myself every year after that. I washed it very well every spring (like up on ramps and a 90degree nozzle on the pressure washer to shoot up) that truck lasted 10 years without any rust (paint peeling issues, but no rust)

Now on my 21 canyon I'm taking the same approach, Krown the 1st three years, then DIY there after with a good underbody wash every spring

my only concern with the touchless car wash was it peeled the blue off my oval badge on my last truck.
 
#3 ·
I say both. I'm in basically coastal NH.

There is a guy here w/ a ~5 year old truck that looks really great underneath, he's in NY (not sure what part). He washes it very regularly - don't know what schedule, maybe he comes through.

At the same time, you may not get it all off, you may park where it's wet in the summer. You may not be able to keep the salt of it for any period of time due to the drive from where you wash it to where you park it. You may not be able to get to washing it on the schedule needed. Rust depends on many things.

No I do not think the "better sort of paint" they use on the frame is all that great versus some other paint. I do believe our bodies and/or undercarriages may be galvanized, then painted - that does help a lot more than paint alone. They are certainly not impervious though. Also keep in mind, although the frames may have a decent paint on them, a lot of the parts do not - ie the paint on the rear end I found is very thin and when removing a sticker prior to undercoating I found it is easily removed by any solvent (ie mineral spirits, alcohol) - no idea WTF sort of paint that is but basically a terribly cheap and surely ineffective barrier.

BTW check your frame and undercarriage for paint defects/damage before you have anyone undercoat it - my truck that had 3 miles on it, the dealership, manufacturing, or transport, damaged the paint on the frame in 4 symmetrical places from lifting. Small defects, a dime size here or there, but it already had surface rust on those spots - I sanded the rust away, cleaned, touched up w/ primer and paint. Yes is probably futile as anyone without rubber pads on their lift points will do it again, but may as well start right.. Had a couple spots like that from when they were building the truck too on the underside/body, however those didn't rust - I just similarly touched up.

What undercoating do they offer? There are a bunch.

I'd read up on different ones and pick your poison, but you are going to find reviews that go from people swear by one brand, to people claim it actually causes corrosion :) - I think for sure, doing it early is better than later. Here's what I learned, I just undercoated mine, myself - kit was about $300 materials, $300 gun (total $650/shipped) through Rovers North for Waxoyl, took about 16 hours labor - however it's a slower job on ramps, having the sun set on you. So w/ a lift, experience, if not being as meticulous, maybe less time. But $600 to me sounds like a half ass job.

Here's kinda what I found in research:

Lanolin based products: Fluid Film, Woolwax - these stay soft/wet, permanently, are less resistant to washing, require re-application more often, may actually be washed off w/ an undercarriage wash. Application is really simple.

Non-Lanolin Wax based products: Waxoyl, Cosmoline makes one, "Boss Wax" (not available for sale, is a system by a company called NHOU) - these can be softer/wet or curing to different degrees. Some have a very much solvent base and will be more dry, some are more of a base that does not dry at all. I'll explain the Waxoyl system below. These tend to be longer lived, can survive undercarriage washes, possibly even powerwashing depending which product exactly. Application of the stuff that cures requires better attention to cleaning, however is fairly simple.

Rubber based products - Ziebart, others - never seen it personally, but seems to be more akin to the undercoating in a can we probably have all seen, applied professionally. These are long lived of course - the downside being essentially it's a paint, so to touch it up you are talking a process akin to painting - difficult.

I bought the Waxoyl story - there are lots of places that apply it around here and I like that what's on the exterior isn't actually a rubber paint substance, but also cures to an extent. A couple calls to shops and I found nobody wants to return my call (or work), so I decided to DIY and bought that kit..

Waxoyl, it's a 2 step process. It comes in cans or by the 1.3 gallon jug and you use a spray gun - really I think any complete application will involve the spray gun, you kinda need it, though a an aerosol can of each product is handy for certain things and for touch up. There are 2 products involved, 120-4 & Hardwax. Prep is basic - wash the vehicle, remove loose rust if applicable. They say you can apply it to a wet vehicle and it displaces water - I dried my underside first.

The 1st step, 120-4, is clear and stays relatively wet for life - it is fogged into places that you can't see using a small hose that has a special fogging fitting on the end, hooked up to a spray gun. It goes up in the frame, in the rocker panels, in the fenders, doors, tailgate, hood, wherever (I skipped the hood & doors, didn't feel it'd be that helpful or warranted).

The second step, Hardwax, which is black and cures to a point where it's got the consistency of cold butter, is sprayed everywhere you can see - everywhere that gets abrasion from the road, idea is basically so it holds up to driving and washing.
 
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#12 ·
You've already made up your mind about cleaning it frequently, for those who don't want to or can't, project farm tested some at home under coatings.

 
#13 ·
Love his videos. I think personally I'd still go with FF over the CRC since I can buy it in gallon containers and spray it myself and have had good results previously with it. But I'm still in the "dilution is the solution" camp. I also live in the south so not as much of a worry about that currently.
 
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They're great. I find myself watching random ones even if I'm not in the market for the product. When I am, it's a good exposure to what's out there and different ways of testing that I might not have thought of.
 
#15 ·
Thanks to everyone who posted or voted in the poll. It seems that a good regimen of keeping the underbody clean is probably the safest way to go. There are just too many variables with undercoating (e.g. which product is applied, and how lazy the person applying it is) to say it's either a good or bad thing, and to justify paying the dealership $600 to do it.
 
#16 ·
I don't think there's a downside to most coatings except most types get on your hands to an extent when working around those areas. Safest way to go is any of the wax or lanolin based coating. Worst scenario they just don't last and require touchup or reapplying and at some cost.

But for $600 I suspect it's an inferior sort of finished product. Too much labor involved to do a good job at that price. I disagree the vehicle needs to be disassembled much, that's what gun attachments that fog inside and around the frame are for. But you do gotta snake up in all those places.

The exception to coatings is a fully curing thing like ziebert from how I understand it, either is gonna really seal things up good or will potentially bubble, clog drains, and hold water.

Whatever the case, a new vehicle is when you make this decision, wash regularly, neglect and replace when the time comes, or treat, or a mix :) - but if you are gonna treat it, do it now when it's clean and the paints in ideal condition.
 
#17 ·
Power washing undercarriage is bad. The power blasters at the car washes are about the worse thing you can do.

There are far too many precious harnesses that can be damaged. The high pressure will push grime deeper into connectors which can later on cause complete failure.

It is a stupid common problem on these trucks. Especially diesels which have additional exposed wiring.

The repairs on those harnesses could be anywhere from $50 to $5,000.
 
#19 ·
From past personal and family experience (was a lot boy, my step-father worked in the financing area of a local dealer that is no more), the dealer packages are not worth it. Most often, it is the same commercial product you can get from the local aftermarket shop that is either applied at the auto carrier or in the prep bay at the back of the dealer. They get it fairly cheap and make a fair bit of money off the package.

If you're going the undercoating route (what I'm planning with my tax return for my new '22), get several quotes from the local aftermarket providers and see what they offer for after application support....some include checks and touch-ups for several years afterwards.