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I'll lead off by disclosing I am a huge fan of Tesla and Elon Musk (SpaceX, The Boring Co., Neuralink).
In 2012 I dumped every disposable dollar I had into the stock.
Fast forward nearly 8 years later, Tesla has unveiled their all electric truck, the Cybertruck.
Musk had been teasing that it will be like nothing we have ever seen... and delivered.
It is truly like nothing ever built - a Blade Runner, The Spy Who Loved Me, Mars Rover of a design.

For ~$50k, the spec are a bit unreal:
Dual Motor AWD
0-60: <4.5s
10,000+ Towing
300+mi range

Plus self-driving capability
Autpilot standard
and a network of Superchargers
Oh, it takes a beating with a sledgehammer w.o taking a dent.


Check it:
www.tesla.com

Cybertruck

Cybertruck is designed to have the utility of a truck with sports car performance. Built to be durable, versatile, capable and high-performance both on-road and off-road.
www.tesla.com www.tesla.com

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Duck Hunt said:
I'll lead off by disclosing I am a huge fan of Tesla and Elon Musk (SpaceX, The Boring Co., Neuralink).
In 2012 I dumped every disposable dollar I had into the stock.
Fast forward nearly 8 years later, Tesla has unveiled their all electric truck, the Cybertruck.
Musk had been teasing that it will be like nothing we have ever seen... and delivered.
It is truly like nothing ever built - a Blade Runner, The Spy Who Loved Me, Mars Rover of a design.

For ~$50k, the spec are a bit unreal:
Dual Motor AWD
0-60: 10,000+ Towing
300+mi range

Plus self-driving capability
Autpilot standard
and a network of Superchargers
Oh, it takes a beating with a sledgehammer w.o taking a dent.


Check it:
www.tesla.com

Cybertruck

Cybertruck is designed to have the utility of a truck with sports car performance. Built to be durable, versatile, capable and high-performance both on-road and off-road.
www.tesla.com www.tesla.com

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Yeah but windows crack when hit by flying rocks, need to fix that for off roading [emoji16]

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That was a large dense ball bearing.
Any other glass that would go right through.
That was their point. The steel is also bullet proof to small arms.
 
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Duck Hunt said:
That was a large dense ball bearing.
Any other glass that would go right through.
That was their point. The steel is also bullet proof to small arms.
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The definition of small arms is basically hand held weapons including rifles. I'll guaranty it's not bullet proof. It might fend off small under powered calibers like .22 rim fire or .25 acp but Elon wouldn't want to be sitting it when someone emptied a 30 round mag of .223 green points into the door.
 
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I think its like many initial prototypes, way over the top. This is a "lifestyle" vehicle.
TESLA should focus all that material and tech into something a truck person would buy. For the reasons a person buys a truck.
So Elon is a Lotus fan boy, me too. But a pickup truck and a sports car are two worlds apart.
I say no on style, but the tech is pretty awesome.
 
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“For ~$50k, the spec are a bit unreal:
Dual Motor AWD
0-60: <4.5s
10,000+ Towing
300+mi range”

It might be a little bit unreal.
 
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Flimflam fantasist meets Buck Rogers.
The boys at the dude ranch are going kick the sh!t off their boots when they see this cartoon “truck”.
And some say the Ridgeline isn’t a real truck...LOL. On the other hand the zero-60 time is impressive. Good thing that is such an extremely important feature in this urban cowboy truck. The acceleration will be useful when shopping on Rodeo Dr. or Duval Street.
My advise to the OP is better diversify your portfolio!
 
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Payload said:
My advise to the OP is better diversify your portfolio!
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Dude is way overrated, kinda like his stocks...
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Plateado said:
Elon Musk is a Con Man, a Phoney that knows how to tap on Gov funding. I have no issues with electric vehicles, private space exploration and the rest. But when a douchebag like this jerk-off is leeching from the Gov titties... I have an issue with that.

My take on his new toy and CGI rendering... Epic Fail !
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Yes of course. There is no ICE (Internal Combustion Engine).
The Model S and X have hospital grade HEPA filters built in that can withstand biological weapons... also, more practically, smelly odors.
So yes they're seal to an extent, and don't have to worry about water in the air intake.


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soliloquist said:
Tesla is a very polarizing brand, so most have strong opinions.

But looking at it very objectively, the Achilles heal of this thing will be its towing. They quote 300 mile range with standard battery pack and 450 mile range with extra battery pack. They also quote 14,000 lbs towing with standard battery pack and 7,500 lbs with extra battery pack. I question how those numbers will hold up in the real world. If range is reduced SIGNIFICANTLY while towing these loads its practicality will be greatly reduced.

Current gas and diesel engine trucks have significantly reduced ranges as well while towing max loads, but refill times are very quick. Recharging 40 mins (possibly more given these are probably larger battery packs) will hurt practicality.

My bet is that real world performance of these trucks (when used as a truck) will be underwhelming.
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They clearly are not going to be used for long distance towing due to the charging time issue. Unless maybe you put a generator on the trailer's tires to recharge the batteries as you tow. :giggle:
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Don't forget they are developing a semi that can haul a GVW of 80,000 lbs. (DOT Max for standard dimension) 500+ miles, which is about the max a driver can run on a 14 hour HOS clock.



I am not defending the truck here. Agreed it is not for everyone. Musk said that himself.
But you can not deny Tesla, their technological competitive advantages, the need to move to sustainable energy, and the 250,000 preorders they have secured for this thing in less than 24 hours.
 
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Wow a vehicle so ugly I would buy a Ridgeline before I would even take a test drive in it...
Dude is way overrated, kinda like his stocks...
 
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The peaked roof seemingly looks like it would make for a horrible interior. I like the tailgate.

300 mile range my ass if you're towing, but it would allow you to bring stuff home from Home Depot.
 
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Tesla is enjoying great sales success with their Model 3, as that car seems to be a nearly perfect blend of good looks, high tech, stout performance and relative value. Yes, a Model 3 costs more than other sedans, but the total cost of ownership is competitive when fuel and maintenance expenses are factored in over the long term. Tesla sold 63,000 cars globally in the first quarter of 2019, 50,900 were Model 3s. Obviously the 3 is very important to Tesla. I submit that the Model 3 came just in time to save the company.

Speaking of performance, a Model 3 will suck the headlights out of a Hellcat from 0-60. Electric power is instant off the line pin you in your seat power. Here is a video of just that. TFL tends to blab excessively, the actual Hellcat smoking festivities occur at 17 minutes:


No doubt with over 700 hp, the Hellcat would pass the upstart Model 3 in a quarter mile run, but the initial step off and stout roll on acceleration power in a high performance EV is undeniably cool. The 3 also beats that AMG Mercedes by a smaller margin 0-60 also, at 14:30 into the video, that run is awesome as the nerd guy has some driving issues ?

A truck from Tesla has real potential, as the tech Tesla has is leading edge. No manufacturer does battery design, cooling and fast charging nearly as well as Tesla. I can see EV trucks being a big win for businesses that operate in urban environments that have their fleet vehicles driving in an area. The range afforded by current EVs would be more than adequate for driving around town at work during the day, and then charging overnight while electricity is cheap. There is a potential cost savings for business using EV trucks - that is probably why Ford and the others are scrambling to hop on the EV truck bandwagon.

Elon needs to put down the crack pipe and style the truck in a normal fashion though. :rolleyes:
 
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Here's part of what Engineering Explained said about it on Facebook:

"Scalene triangles, the framework of any beautiful automotive design. Said probably no designer ever. The first time I saw images I assumed it was a joke. I’m still not convinced this is the actual Tesla truck, but that’s what the internet tells me is true. If the mission is to get traditional truck buyers to switch over to EV, this isn’t it."
 
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Tesla is a very polarizing brand, so most have strong opinions.

But looking at it very objectively, the Achilles heal of this thing will be its towing. They quote 300 mile range with standard battery pack and 450 mile range with extra battery pack. They also quote 14,000 lbs towing with standard battery pack and 7,500 lbs with extra battery pack. I question how those numbers will hold up in the real world. If range is reduced SIGNIFICANTLY while towing these loads its practicality will be greatly reduced.

Current gas and diesel engine trucks have significantly reduced ranges as well while towing max loads, but refill times are very quick. Recharging 40 mins (possibly more given these are probably larger battery packs) will hurt practicality.

My bet is that real world performance of these trucks (when used as a truck) will be underwhelming.
 
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They clearly are not going to be used for long distance towing due to the charging time issue. Unless maybe you put a generator on the trailer's tires to recharge the batteries as you tow. :giggle:
 
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Elon bought the 007 Esprit, the submarine version, I believe.
No doubt, influenced the aesthetic direction of design.
Which was not penned by anyone at Lotus, BTW.
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Elon Musk is a Con Man, a Phoney that knows how to tap on Gov funding. I have no issues with electric vehicles, private space exploration and the rest. But when a douchebag like this jerk-off is leeching from the Gov titties... I have an issue with that.

My take on his new toy and CGI rendering... Epic Fail !
 
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First off, I think in terms of the design someone furture-gasmed all over the drawing board. This isn't polarizing design, it's a design meant to appeal to a culture that doesn't exist.

Secondly, in terms of it's capability, it's too niche.They've mostly forgotten one very important characteristic that all pickup trucks should have, a sense of utility to it. I just don't feel comfortable throwing 20 bags of mulch or a 2 piece couch in the back of this thing. Even if it's a mid-size you've got to be able to put the thing to work. The powertrain might have the capability to do a lot, but that body I feel like hamstrings everything else the truck could be outfitted to do. You could argue that it's meant to be a "lifestyle truck" but you're pretty much limited to the lifestyles presented in those promo photos. I for example have a 15ft kayak, my Colorado carries it just fine with addition of a clamp-on roof rack. This on the other hand would need a custom designed solution to pull the same feat which would likely be more expensive and more cost prohibitive on top of 39,000 starting price tag.

I strongly prefer the design of the design of the Rivian. The headlights could use some work but the overall design is a lot more well rounded
 
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Oh yeah, I came to this thread expecting some fun. Was not disappointed. :ROFLMAO: ?


Duck Hunt said:
I'll lead off by disclosing I am a huge fan of Tesla and Elon Musk (SpaceX, The Boring Co., Neuralink).
In 2012 I dumped every disposable dollar I had into the stock.
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checks out tesla's stock history. dang dude! Nice work. Some day I hope to get some stock in "the next big thing". I have a friend from college whose family is very well off because they invested some serious dollars in Apple back in the day and I'm a little envious.
 
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Speaking of... In my pocket and in my lap under my clacking fingers you'll find the results of a well known but relatively niche brand making a genre shattering product. When the iPhone came out in 2007, the overall trend was for phones to be as small as possible, and mostly fold in half. There was a Futurama bit about it back around 2004 where one character (Amy for my fellow Futurama fans) had a giant charger for her nearly microscopic phone; this was the "future" in 2004. Then the iPhone came out. It was neither small, nor did it fold in half. It looked like a big melted bar of soap, and where were the buttons? Now, flip phones are a punchline, all phones are buttonless, and for some inexplicable reason they keep getting bigger. When Apple went from the black/white polycarbonate MacBooks to the aluminum MacBooks, the nay-saying was similar for a variety of reasons now forgotten, but now even the cheapest laptops are all aluminum. Both were odd and rather jarring products from an otherwise aspirational brand, and now they're just background noise.

The Tesla Model S has consistently been rated the most aspirational cars for the last several years. Everyone wants one. In a similar manner to the buttonless slab phones, it seems every car with any luxury angle has a giant and ever larger screen growing in the center of the dash, sticking out like an iPad (example three, but that one is not on my person) stapled to the console. Every automotive manufacturer on the planet is rushing to get an electric niche filler to market (GM announced their electric truck for 2021/2? just a few hours before the Tesla reveal). If Tesla makes a truck, it's likely to follow the same script as Apple making some electronic widget we didn't think we needed yet will all have in a few years. The looks of this thing are totally polarizing, and a lot of what we traditionally think of as a "truck" is challenged. It's entirely possible it's too much of a challenge, but if the past is any indicator I expect to see them on the road soon, and then stop seeing them shortly after in the same way I don't see Rav4s (they still make those right? If not, insert any other generic cute-ute).

As for the machine itself... Electric propulsion makes a lot of sense for a truck for the same reason a diesel does; lots of torque way down low. What about the range? If I'm going on a road trip that requires some real range, I don't think a truck would be my first choice. A working vehicle goes to the gettin' place or the job site, and back again. It's not going far, it just needs to move stuff. Range is less of an issue with a truck than a car, and the car is commonplace. Someone said something about it not being utilitarian... Are you kidding? There's nothing on there that ISN'T strictly utilitarian including curves. I imagine the angular shape probably has something to do with the working properties of the stainless steel alloy; it may be extremely expensive to get the degree of curves required for your typical automotive body panel. It seats six, there's nothing on the dash but that iPad-style display, the doors are conventional... The glass roof is a Tesla hallmark, so it was expected, and I don't know what's going on with the wheels, but those are about the only non-utilitarian details on the whole truck!

I think it'll likely succeed. I think it'll succeed pretty hard actually... It probably won't be long before other manufacturers are getting in on the angular wedge design game, or the stainless steel bodywork game, or who knows what other aspect of it people will latch onto. I've been aware of this for a while and wondered what it'd look like. I'm not going to go so far as to say I wish I hadn't put a deposit down on my diesel Bison a month or so ago, but my next truck will very likely look much more like this than not.
 
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spectre6000 said:
Speaking of... In my pocket and in my lap under my clacking fingers you'll find the results of a well known but relatively niche brand making a genre shattering product. When the iPhone came out in 2007, the overall trend was for phones to be as small as possible, and mostly fold in half. There was a Futurama bit about it back around 2004 where one character (Amy for my fellow Futurama fans) had a giant charger for her nearly microscopic phone; this was the "future" in 2004. Then the iPhone came out. It was neither small, nor did it fold in half. It looked like a big melted bar of soap, and where were the buttons? Now, flip phones are a punchline, all phones are buttonless, and for some inexplicable reason they keep getting bigger. When Apple went from the black/white polycarbonate MacBooks to the aluminum MacBooks, the nay-saying was similar for a variety of reasons now forgotten, but now even the cheapest laptops are all aluminum. Both were odd and rather jarring products from an otherwise aspirational brand, and now they're just background noise.

The Tesla Model S has consistently been rated the most aspirational cars for the last several years. Everyone wants one. In a similar manner to the buttonless slab phones, it seems every car with any luxury angle has a giant and ever larger screen growing in the center of the dash, sticking out like an iPad (example three, but that one is not on my person) stapled to the console. Every automotive manufacturer on the planet is rushing to get an electric niche filler to market (GM announced their electric truck for 2021/2? just a few hours before the Tesla reveal). If Tesla makes a truck, it's likely to follow the same script as Apple making some electronic widget we didn't think we needed yet will all have in a few years. The looks of this thing are totally polarizing, and a lot of what we traditionally think of as a "truck" is challenged. It's entirely possible it's too much of a challenge, but if the past is any indicator I expect to see them on the road soon, and then stop seeing them shortly after in the same way I don't see Rav4s (they still make those right? If not, insert any other generic cute-ute).

As for the machine itself... Electric propulsion makes a lot of sense for a truck for the same reason a diesel does; lots of torque way down low. What about the range? If I'm going on a road trip that requires some real range, I don't think a truck would be my first choice. A working vehicle goes to the gettin' place or the job site, and back again. It's not going far, it just needs to move stuff. Range is less of an issue with a truck than a car, and the car is commonplace. Someone said something about it not being utilitarian... Are you kidding? There's nothing on there that ISN'T strictly utilitarian including curves. I imagine the angular shape probably has something to do with the working properties of the stainless steel alloy; it may be extremely expensive to get the degree of curves required for your typical automotive body panel. It seats six, there's nothing on the dash but that iPad-style display, the doors are conventional... The glass roof is a Tesla hallmark, so it was expected, and I don't know what's going on with the wheels, but those are about the only non-utilitarian details on the whole truck!

I think it'll likely succeed. I think it'll succeed pretty hard actually... It probably won't be long before other manufacturers are getting in on the angular wedge design game, or the stainless steel bodywork game, or who knows what other aspect of it people will latch onto. I've been aware of this for a while and wondered what it'd look like. I'm not going to go so far as to say I wish I hadn't put a deposit down on my diesel Bison a month or so ago, but my next truck will very likely look much more like this than not.
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My phone isn't button-less...and it's made by the fruity labeled cell phone maker that made smartphones before i-anything existed.
I'm curious who has rated the Model S as the most aspirational car? Maybe in the big city life...the 2020 Corvette is already changing that aspirational landscape. But in real life America more people choose function over form, they choose trucks. That's why we have trim levels from WT to Denali. I owned a Volt for a few years as my daily driver, and I much rather prefer a fuel efficient truck with long range and capability over being leashed to the power grid to save a few bucks on gas. Maybe you're leaning on "utilitarian" as a cosmetic feature...but just because it looks utilitarian doesn't mean it actually is.
 
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EVs are a failure as long they keep building them with late 1800s tech. The Batteries need to go, is the wrong approach. Also, a Company has to survive on its own "Steam" (pun intended). On any car can be installed a Leather Seat, Touch Screens, Radars, Expresso Machines, Infotainment, Auto Pilot, Hepa Filters, Flux Capacitors and so forth and never make it out of the driveway. Gadgets are nothing more than Tech Horny Candy.

What makes the car a true winner is value and performance. Other than that, is just crap to to convince the people to buy it.

Have anybody wonder why the Nissan Leaf looks in the way it looks? The true value/cost to make an EV and make a proffit is almost nothing. A Tesla Model S, if is sold with its true value, is a well over $150,000 car. Tesla Motors makes money on selling a so called 0 Emissions car. Is a lie, the cost, ecological impact and carbon footprint to make solely the batteries is far beyond than a Hummer. On top of that, they are not recyclable, the EPA catalog the Batteries as Toxic Waste. See any LiOn Battery's warnings and disposal, imagine a 200+ lbs one.

The Carbon Credit is another scam. Want to stop poluting? Cap, no Trade. Is all bullshit. Most companies want to create their very own Carbon Credits and producing EVs for that very reason.

Want a true EV? What about Fuel Cell Tech, start there (Bloom Energy, search on it), see where that goes, but Batteries... please, another dog with that bone.
 
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Here is the harsh reality here.

This is just a concept that is unfinished. Tesla is taking deposits to drive money to finish the vehicle like they did on the 3. They are not flush with money and if not for forgiving investors they would be out of business by now.

it may be 3-4 years before they sell the first one like the 3 if they do not get more income.

To do a truck they need to drop the odd shapes and make it stylish not odd.

They need to drop the odd steel body as it will only cause other issues as they have yet to crash test it and they will find issues with crumple zones also higher purchase price and repair cost.

Stop worrying about 3 sec 0-60 and provide more range.

it is a good bet once optioned up this will be $60k tp $75k in cost just as the 3 never lived up to the $35k price.

Tesla needs to focus on a truck that is stylish, usable, affordable, can charge faster and have longer range even with a load. All the while matching the price of the current trucks out there.

No one is looking for a more expensive, odd looking truck that will leave you charging an hour at a time while traveling. Just keeping the cost the same and 400 mile range in a decent package would do best.

Leave off the clever doors like the Y leave off the billet proof metal and the triangle shapes. No reason to get cute here though cute it is not.

Trucks will not be the center of the EV world as they are in the ICE world. They will be limited off road, limited range towing, limited in appeal to truck buyers who are more often gear heads that are not EV friendly. Also making a truck even more expensive than ICE is not some thing people are seeking.

Tesla may have to bank on buyers like those who bought H1 Hummers with money looking for attention.
 
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