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I think it should be compared to the TrailBoss like TLF did.

TRD Pro will have the Hybrid system too with I think near 500 torque. No one knows Hybrid like Toyota. But they were not out yet to compare and plus my dealer here put 10k admin on all TRD Pros from Tacoma to Sequoia. Already expensive. I was also interested in the 58 Land Cruiser but who knows when they will trickle in here or what my crooked Toyota dealer will ask for them.

 

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Not a fan of the Tacoma new interior just taking a look. That screen sucks to me, looks out of place and not natural which I think Chevy did a far better job with. But I generally like the rugged Toyota interior but not sure about new tacoma plus the Chevy integration of driver information system has won me over.

Like the hand holds and such though.

 

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TFL did a comparison tow test Trail boss against Tacoma Off road, Tacoma showed same performance but better mpg. Seems like there is more driver comfort in the new Tacoma. All in all they both did well..

Trailboss was the winner. .6 mpg is not even worth discussing. 1200 pounds is big for some and it climbed better.

Trailboss was 4k less dollars, better towing, better capacity, better trailer data information. The last 5 mins is good info for the impatient like me.

 

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Not a fan of TFL, you can clearly see in many videos that they won’t say certain things because they don’t want to not be invited back on new releases. This goes across all manufacturers, they are not a reliable source, they are about selling clicks.

Agree 100% they do a lot of Toyota's also. The Nissan Frontier actually did better than the Tacoma but they had to beef up the review on Tacoma in my opinion. Frontier had far better plate protection did just as well off road and had more power than the 2023 Tacoma especially.

 

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It also seems like it will be a while still for the TRD Pro to come out, you can't build it on Toyota's site. It wasn't even there in any respect a few weeks back when I was looking at trucks.

I was told by a dealer in Seattle I could "reserve" TRD OR, but who knows when it would have been coming. Since it was the Costco program, I may not have gotten shafted on the price, but I'd imagine otherwise these are going to have heft premium so they can clear out the 2023s and maximize their profit.

The ZR2 was not "vaporware" and even existed even in-state for me (although none had the right build), which is rare here. If we were one year into the new Taco, I might see this all differently.

Yeah the TRD Pro and Trail Hunter are hybrid and not going to be released any time soon. Which means to me the Toyota dealers who are the worse in the world will be asking ridiculous prices, such as 10k over MSRP. Toyota sucks like that.

No word on when the TRD Pro will be released.

The entire idea of a ZR2 compared to a TRD Offroad is a waste of time totally two different trucks and purposes.

The off road portion was fake nonsense and not real world, just barely off road. Truly disappointing of Car and Driver. They think trim cost equalizes the differences. How ridiculous. Even the TRD Pro will not compare to the ZR2 or Desert Boss or the coming Rhino.

This image says everything about how useless the comparison was.

 

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I really want gm to put a better motor in the new Colorado and canyon. Yeah sure it’s torquey but there’s no reason it should get v8 gas mileage

3.0 Duramax would have been sweet in my opinion.

 

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I 100% agree that different tires will produce different results, I never argued otherwise. That being said, the test is much more useful using the tires that come on the vehicle, not by swapping them out for the best possible results. Let the consumer decide if they want to change tires, but swapping tires to run a comparison would totally screw the results of the comparison compared to the actual vehicle someone would be buying off the lot.

They compared two totally different trucks. Should have used the Trailboss or Z71 or even Canyon AT4.

 

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I think this test was not a good comparison to be honest. I guess I can understand why they choose a ZR2 versus a Z71 (not "off-roady" enough) or a Trail Boss (interior not "ritzy" enough) , but geez, they decide to go all out and get the heaviest, slowest, most expensive Colorado you can buy, and then compare that one? Terrible. The test should have been versus a nearly "bare bones" ZR2 (which comes fairly equipped anyways) or an optioned Trail Boss, which would have been lacking in the interior department versus the Toyota, but still would have been fair and cheaper.

They talk like the interior of the Colorado is pretty bad versus the Toyota. I call BS on that one. On looks alone I'd take the GM twin's interior over the Tacoma interior and it's tacked on screen and tonka toy styling.

I agree with a reply above, that a better comparison would be versus the Canyon AT4 since it's got what the Z71 doesn't offer, which is a nicer interior, with Trail Boss like off-road capability.

One point I will agree on (sort of) is that the 2.7 doesn't seem to perform as stout in the real world as it's on paper numbers (430lbs torque) would indicate. That said, the ZR2 in this test was hundreds of pounds heavier, bigger tires, and I think it may have been even taller.

Yeah the Colorado interior is superior by far in my opinion especially that ugly tablet Toyota seemed to throw in there as if they ran out of time. Only thing I like better interior is the hand hold for passenger pretty cool place for it.

 

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TFL did run the new Tacoma Limited they had against Andre’s Trail Boss and the Colorado walked away from it. Both trucks were faster then a last generation 3.5 Tacoma they had.

The 2023 and such Tacoma with 3.5 is a snooze fest and its like sitting on the floor board. Will probably last 50 years but nothing fun about them in my opinion!

 

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I own both a 2023 ZR2 which I love but also a 2019 Tacoma TRD Sport which for all its quirks I also love (more so after getting a tune). One thing no one talks about with Toyotas is how quickly they rot especially living in a state that salts roads. My 2019 Tacoma is far rustier underneath then my 2016 Chevy Tahoe. I now coat it with Surface shield (and the Chevys) as it getting bad for its age.

Had the same issue with my FJ Cruiser. Constant battle to protect the under carriage.

 

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Toyota is not about power. Maybe the hybrid power plant will be awesome not sure but their new 4 cylinder is less powerful than the 2.7 by significant numbers. I would be more interested in the TRD Pro Hybrid, but then the douche bag Toyota dealers will put 10k over MSRP. Toyota are the most scummy of dealers. 3.5 Atkinson engine is total POS.

 

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Ya the 3.5 isn't known for drag race wins. Haven't driven that many but for the most part not bad for daily. But for pulling or steep grade passing, they are underwhelming.
I like the power delivery of the 2.7L turbo, nice torque

It's total weak for power for sure. 2024 looks better but not sure.

 

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I will give it to the tacoma for having the rear links and coils. For having leaf springs the zr2 rides great, but coils are definently superior in many ways.

And drum brakes..... Toyota is weird.

 

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I saw rear disc's.... considering most brake bias is towards the front, drums aren't a deal breaker though disc's are more convenient... and look better.

Just saying for all the superiority they still had drum brakes.

 

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I mis-read the context. Disregard for I am an idiot.

Haha no big deal, you were not wrong.

 

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I read this article when it came out. Sounds like Toyota has made a good truck. But I have trouble believing it has any advantage in braking and handling over my ZR2. If it does I'd like to drive one. I was surprised how much fun my truck is on a curvy backroad.

I love this ZR2 colorado. I think unless I got the Hybrid with far more power then I-4 Toyota engine doesn't interest me. It sounds boring like their 3.5 Atkinson.