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Here it is in HD: The All New 2023 GMC Canyon + TFL Exclusive Review!

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Oh snap, my mistake. 🤣

So what's with these Pre-Runner and Overland Bars????
I think they might help push the brush out of the way so it doesn't scratch the paint job on the $65,000+ new truck? And mayyyybe to house a winch lead?
 
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Can always count on you to get us lots of cool insite and informative posts
Thanks gherbet! As soon as I see the next GM press release I will start loading the new pics into this thread!
 
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GM Authority is still reporting that the 2023 GMC Canyon will get the 10-speed. 🤣

"Like the recently unveiled 2023 Chevy Colorado, the turbocharged 2.7L I4 L3B gasoline engine will reside under the hood and will be offered in multiple states of tune, while the GM 10-speed automatic will be the sole transmission option. Under the skin will be an updated version of the current truck’s GMT31XX platform, while production will take place at the GM Wentzville plant in Missouri."

 
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Is GM just going to homologate everything to have the 2.7 and 10 (or 8) speed? I mean it makes sense from a cost standpoint, they can save a ton of money putting the same drivetrain in every vehicle they make until the EV platforms catch up in power density. Also with states banning the sales of ICE engines in 2035 I can see not wanting to invest in engine development anymore.

I'm just not confident in the long term reliability of that engine in a truck. Ask Ford how those headgaskets did on the focus RS (granted totally different application and smaller engine) but I just don't see it lasting more than the dreaded "lifetime of the vehicle" which manufactures define very differently than we do. Maybe another poor example but VW rated the automatic transmission fluid in my 2005 Passat as "lifetime" fluid...when ZF clearly stated that it should have been changed every 60k.

We live in a throw away society, I just hope they did their due diligence on these engines, because the trucks look amazing. It would be a shame to see another new truck come out with engine issues out of the gate...cough cough Bronco cough cough
In the drivetrain department, this appears to be the case, but one big problem is that BEV platforms will never catch up to ICV's with regard to energy density, even with solid state batteries it's still chemically impossible. That's why every other sane OEM are adding HEV and PHEV's to their ICV lineups. I don't expect the ICE bans to last very long either...most of them are just virtue signalling legislation or agreements that will quickly be repealed when reality sinks in and people start starving to death.

GM could make an absolute killing with PHEV midsize trucks and SUV's, but it seems they are hell bent on letting Ford and Toyota take that crown instead.
 
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I don't think I agree that they will never catch up, I thought the whole point of looking at solid state tech was because the power density and efficiency were orders of magnitude better. Could very well be wrong here as I hated chem in college haha. Even if they don't or can only get close, at least they will be much lighter which is a major advantage. (Though the 3rd gen is bigger so there goes your weight savings)

I think they should have invested more in the tech behind the original volt. Throw a tiny 1-2 cylinder in there (diesel if you really want to push it) with a DC generator and optimize how it charges and takes advantage of regen braking etc and I think you could have a very efficient platform.

Drivetrain aside I still bet these things will be way overpriced, but at least the Silverado's/Sierra's are also now way overpriced too so you can feel like the mid-size is worth it lol
Diesel Fuel = 38.6 MJ/L, 45.6 MJ/kg
Gasoline = 34.2 MJ/L, 46.4 MJ/kg
Lithium Ion Batteries = 0.83-3.6 MJ/L, 0.46-0.72 MJ/kg


Orders of magnitude better power density with SSB's is pretty much just a bunch of hopium. If they can be developed to last more than a handful of charge cycles, for something like Lithium-Sulfur batteries I would expect maybe a 30% boost in energy density over Lithium-Ion...meanwhile Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries, which are a growing replacement for Lithium-Ion, have 40% less energy density.
 
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You know what else I just thought of? Looking at those last pics I see a play store icon. This means GM switched to the platform they developed with the hummer and are using Android Automotive (the full operating system not android auto Googles naming is stupid).

So not only do you no longer need to pay for all the development that was going into their own infotainment systems, you just need systems integrators to work with Google to implement all the safety features and stuff you were doing in the past and already have available as IP so you can potentially just make all your routines an API that android uses.

I'm over simplifying it, and probably wrong about how some of that works, but my point is that using Android in theory should make all of that cheaper and easier to maintain. So its not electronics driving up the cost, unless they are trying to make up for the supply chain issues.
The truck runs on a Linux based system that GM calls Ultifi, while Android Automotive is merely an app that supports infotainment features.