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I dig it...but no diesel = no trade ups here. Wonder how many years before the cycle repeats again and I can buy a mid-size with a diesel....who am I kidding ill never be able to get this config again.

I'd love to see someone get a wrecked 2023 after they've been out for a bit and throw a 2.8 in it lol, even from just seeing half of the front I think it looks great.

Until solid state batteries are a thing I don't wanna hear about EVs, and a hopped up boosted gasser is not going to hold me over until then.
 
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Jeep Gladiator offers a diesel.
 
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Can always count on you to get us lots of cool insite and informative posts
 
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GM Authority is still reporting that the 2023 GMC Canyon will get the 10-speed. 🤣

"Like the recently unveiled 2023 Chevy Colorado, the turbocharged 2.7L I4 L3B gasoline engine will reside under the hood and will be offered in multiple states of tune, while the GM 10-speed automatic will be the sole transmission option. Under the skin will be an updated version of the current truck’s GMT31XX platform, while production will take place at the GM Wentzville plant in Missouri."

 
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Well I wish that was true...

GM Authority fixed their "typo"
"Like the recently unveiled 2023 Chevy Colorado, the turbocharged 2.7L I4 L3B gasoline engine will reside under the hood and will be offered in multiple states of tune, while the new-generation GM 8L90 eight-speed automatic will be the sole transmission option. Under the skin will be an updated version of the current truck’s GMT31XX platform, while production will take place at the GM Wentzville plant in Missouri."

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/08/2023-gmc-canyon-teased-ahead-of-august-11th-reveal/

I would of went for a Canyon if it had the 10 speed instead of a Colorado with a 2nd Gen 8 Speed
 
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Is GM just going to homologate everything to have the 2.7 and 10 (or 8) speed? I mean it makes sense from a cost standpoint, they can save a ton of money putting the same drivetrain in every vehicle they make until the EV platforms catch up in power density. Also with states banning the sales of ICE engines in 2035 I can see not wanting to invest in engine development anymore.

I'm just not confident in the long term reliability of that engine in a truck. Ask Ford how those headgaskets did on the focus RS (granted totally different application and smaller engine) but I just don't see it lasting more than the dreaded "lifetime of the vehicle" which manufactures define very differently than we do. Maybe another poor example but VW rated the automatic transmission fluid in my 2005 Passat as "lifetime" fluid...when ZF clearly stated that it should have been changed every 60k.

We live in a throw away society, I just hope they did their due diligence on these engines, because the trucks look amazing. It would be a shame to see another new truck come out with engine issues out of the gate...cough cough Bronco cough cough
 
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d0u8l3m said:
Is GM just going to homologate everything to have the 2.7 and 10 (or 8) speed? I mean it makes sense from a cost standpoint, they can save a ton of money putting the same drivetrain in every vehicle they make until the EV platforms catch up in power density. Also with states banning the sales of ICE engines in 2035 I can see not wanting to invest in engine development anymore.

I'm just not confident in the long term reliability of that engine in a truck. Ask Ford how those headgaskets did on the focus RS (granted totally different application and smaller engine) but I just don't see it lasting more than the dreaded "lifetime of the vehicle" which manufactures define very differently than we do. Maybe another poor example but VW rated the automatic transmission fluid in my 2005 Passat as "lifetime" fluid...when ZF clearly stated that it should have been changed every 60k.

We live in a throw away society, I just hope they did their due diligence on these engines, because the trucks look amazing. It would be a shame to see another new truck come out with engine issues out of the gate...cough cough Bronco cough cough
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In the drivetrain department, this appears to be the case, but one big problem is that BEV platforms will never catch up to ICV's with regard to energy density, even with solid state batteries it's still chemically impossible. That's why every other sane OEM are adding HEV and PHEV's to their ICV lineups. I don't expect the ICE bans to last very long either...most of them are just virtue signalling legislation or agreements that will quickly be repealed when reality sinks in and people start starving to death.

GM could make an absolute killing with PHEV midsize trucks and SUV's, but it seems they are hell bent on letting Ford and Toyota take that crown instead.
 
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I don't think I agree that they will never catch up, I thought the whole point of looking at solid state tech was because the power density and efficiency were orders of magnitude better. Could very well be wrong here as I hated chem in college haha. Even if they don't or can only get close, at least they will be much lighter which is a major advantage. (Though the 3rd gen is bigger so there goes your weight savings)

I think they should have invested more in the tech behind the original volt. Throw a tiny 1-2 cylinder in there (diesel if you really want to push it) with a DC generator and optimize how it charges and takes advantage of regen braking etc and I think you could have a very efficient platform.

Drivetrain aside I still bet these things will be way overpriced, but at least the Silverado's/Sierra's are also now way overpriced too so you can feel like the mid-size is worth it lol
 
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d0u8l3m said:
I don't think I agree that they will never catch up, I thought the whole point of looking at solid state tech was because the power density and efficiency were orders of magnitude better. Could very well be wrong here as I hated chem in college haha. Even if they don't or can only get close, at least they will be much lighter which is a major advantage. (Though the 3rd gen is bigger so there goes your weight savings)

I think they should have invested more in the tech behind the original volt. Throw a tiny 1-2 cylinder in there (diesel if you really want to push it) with a DC generator and optimize how it charges and takes advantage of regen braking etc and I think you could have a very efficient platform.

Drivetrain aside I still bet these things will be way overpriced, but at least the Silverado's/Sierra's are also now way overpriced too so you can feel like the mid-size is worth it lol
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Diesel Fuel = 38.6 MJ/L, 45.6 MJ/kg
Gasoline = 34.2 MJ/L, 46.4 MJ/kg
Lithium Ion Batteries = 0.83-3.6 MJ/L, 0.46-0.72 MJ/kg


Orders of magnitude better power density with SSB's is pretty much just a bunch of hopium. If they can be developed to last more than a handful of charge cycles, for something like Lithium-Sulfur batteries I would expect maybe a 30% boost in energy density over Lithium-Ion...meanwhile Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries, which are a growing replacement for Lithium-Ion, have 40% less energy density.
 
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I really like the truck overall and it seems more of an update to the current platform rather than a totally new evolution. They took all the ZR2 bits and bolted them onto a canyon which honestly, I think now looks more like a mini Silverado.

That price is absolutely insane though ($63,350 Edition 1 but probably indicative of standard AT4X) ...those climate controls look like they were out of the malibu parts bin or something. What exactly is new and revolutionary about this truck that justifies that price? You are making the ZR2 features standard and have already been making those parts, so now you're making more of them should'nt it be cheaper? What a world we live in, when are consumers going to start caring again and push back.

Oh and do we know if this truck will be subject to the rumored $1500 forced onstar subscription? Absolutely insane
 
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d0u8l3m said:
I really like the truck overall and it seems more of an update to the current platform rather than a totally new evolution. They took all the ZR2 bits and bolted them onto a canyon which honestly, I think now looks more like a mini Silverado.

That price is absolutely insane though ($63,350 Edition 1 but probably indicative of standard AT4X) ...those climate controls look like they were out of the malibu parts bin or something. What exactly is new and revolutionary about this truck that justifies that price? You are making the ZR2 features standard and have already been making those parts, so now you're making more of them should'nt it be cheaper? What a world we live in, when are consumers going to start caring again and push back.

Oh and do we know if this truck will be subject to the rumored $1500 forced onstar subscription? Absolutely insane
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Yeah, they are making that standard on the GMC models.
So 63k, plus the $1500 and then another 1500$ for destination. So essentially 66k for a kid size truck.

ridiculous
 
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You know what else I just thought of? Looking at those last pics I see a play store icon. This means GM switched to the platform they developed with the hummer and are using Android Automotive (the full operating system not android auto Googles naming is stupid).

So not only do you no longer need to pay for all the development that was going into their own infotainment systems, you just need systems integrators to work with Google to implement all the safety features and stuff you were doing in the past and already have available as IP so you can potentially just make all your routines an API that android uses.

I'm over simplifying it, and probably wrong about how some of that works, but my point is that using Android in theory should make all of that cheaper and easier to maintain. So its not electronics driving up the cost, unless they are trying to make up for the supply chain issues.
 
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