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99K views 285 replies 64 participants last post by  kenlauber57  
Figured I'd add some of my UOA's

Soot levels are indicated in the comments and unfortunately previous soot values are not accounted for in subsequent tests

Original oil what ever that might be.

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AC DELCO DEXOS 2 5W-30
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Castrol Edge C3 5W-30
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Now running with Rotella T6 5W-40; but no tests on it yet.
 
Can somebody who has the latest tune update from GM get an oil analysis that actually measures soot (not blackstone labs) next time you are due for an OC ? I’d like to see if you guys are getting similar results to my last analysis.
What is the latest tune update? How would one know? The last UOA test I had showed <0.1% soot for a 5280 mile oil.
 
The tune update was before 2021, I believe it was a new calibration to detect excessive regens and adds more EGR.

The test for soot in oil analysis is ASTM E2412 which uses FT-IR.

Blackstone doesn’t use the proper testing methodology and nor is your 0.1% it a real number. You would need to use a different lab that follows the correct test protocols like Polaris, ALS, Oil Analyzers, test oil etc… to get what I’m looking for.
I'm no genius. I made a mistake. I meant 5267 miles since my last test. Not 5280 miles. Now tell me how is my 0.1% soot level not a real number????
 
Can somebody who has the latest tune update from GM get an oil analysis that actually measures soot (not blackstone labs) next time you are due for an OC ? I’d like to see if you guys are getting similar results to my last analysis.
Well I'll try again.

The last oil sample I had tested had 5267 miles on it. The soot was <0.1%

My truck is a 2020 and has not been to Dealership in 2 years. Unfortunatley I don't know what version of tune update I may have.

Based only on the above info please don't tell me my oil test is invalid. Though I would be in awe if you could!
 
Blackstone does not use the ASTM testing method for soot, that's why the soot% is invalid (it's a guesstimate, not a valid result). Blackstone lists the ASTM testing standards they use and E2412 is not on their list and that is why he's saying soot numbers from Blackstone are not valid for the data he's after.
I was aware of that from the very first post. I believe I complied with his request. Yet he keeps insisting the results are invalid based on two numbers.
 
You are quoting numbers from a BLACKSTONE report, right? Blackstone does not use the correct method for determining soot%. Yes, your numbers are invalid because they aren't determined by the correct ASTM standard. I'm not sure where the disconnect is, but the "<0.1%" from your Blackstone report is not a real number, it's an estimate based on Blackstone's process used to determine soot%, which is NOT using the ASTM standard. When the result isn't from an industry standard testing methodology the results cannot be properly compared/evaluated and can't be trusted.
Not quoting from any BLACKSTONE report. I don't know where that idea came from since the original post was in response for test results NOT from BLACKSTONE.
I don't always use the same testing company and I haven't posted every test. If one were to look at the three tests I have previously provided (in post #218) one would see that the miles on oil does not match 5267 miles on any of them.
Instead of dismissing my results as invalid why not ask for clarification. As you have.

Oil Analyzers Inc.
Castrol Edge with Titanium SAE 5W30

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In addition out of curiousity I ran the same sample using Blackstone Labs. Unfortunately Blackstone missed the sought after Soot test.

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Sample containers where held together while passed under the draining oil.
As has been mentioned previously fuel dilution tests between labs are different and results reflect it.
 
If you reread the posts you will see the problem starts with the seemingly erroneous assumption that I used BLACKSTONE.

The first response to my post was;
"Blackstone doesn’t use the proper testing methodology and nor is your 0.1% it a real number."

He doesn't actually say I used Blackstone but indicates my result is not a real number. Later responses kept referring to Blackstone testing.
I reposted a modified initial post hoping he would rethink his first response and ask the obvious question.

As far as this goes-
"If someone says "values from X are invalid" and the only reply after that is still repeating "my value is Y" but not saying it's not from X then...we end up here. This could've been avoided if you had provided the info on who did your test in the first place before all of this back-and-forth took place to finally get to the bottom of it."

We end up here because someone assumed Y is from X. This could have been avoided if he had simply questioned a false assumption and asked who did the test. You figured it out. :)

How does one conclude I used Blackstone based on the very limited info that I initially provided. This is especially concerning when the poster was only looking for non Blackstone results. I would like to know?
 
Just got my Blackstone report back for the 100k UOA that included the road trip towing our travel trailer from IL to OR and back. I didn't tell them that this OCI included a lot of towing but they did take note of some elevated iron and wondered if I had been towing so good on them.

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My iron is up to lately, but I haven't been working the engine any differently.
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Huh, that is weird. Did you just recently switch to 5w40/Rotella T6? I ask because the viscosities of your past tests were lower than what 5w40 should be at temp and lower than your latest test. Really strange that your last test had such high iron. Any oil or other changes from what you'd been using or doing before?
The last 4 oil changes were T6. The Titanium indicated prior to that was from the Castrol. The only other change in the past year that passes through the engine is a switch from Stanadyne to Hotshot Extreme as a fuel additive. I have also noticed a decrease in mileage between Regens over the last year, but I don't keep good track of that. It does show up as a slight decrease in MPG but that could also be partly due to a change in tires.

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Your oil viscosities are low. A 5w40 should be > 12.5 cSt.

Solvent based fuel additives like Stanadyne performance formula and hotshot extreme can lower your oil viscosity and also increase cylinder wear.

Try switching to a non solvent based formula and your iron wear should decrease.

High silicon from poor air filtration can also cause elevated iron. Get an analysis that measures silicon and check your air filter.
Only the last two tests where on T6 5W40. Prior to that it was all 5W30 which had lower viscosity and lower iron.
It would be interesting to see if eliminating the additive will make a change but I'm skeptical to drawing such a conclusion when there are so many other variables. However, I am running out of the Hot Shot Extreme and will make a change to something cheaper after the next oil change as I just passed 95K miles. I don't think I have ever used Stanadyne Performance Formula if that is what you are implying but I haven't used Amalgamated products before either. To throw a monkey wrench into the discussion, I had the previous oil sample (6/9/23) also tested by Oil Analyzers. Notice the high iron but the oil viscosity above 12.5 cSt doesn't suggest dilution. For some reason they did not update the oil as being T6 5W40 hence the comments on mixing. Nowadays I tend to look more at trends than any single test result but the iron has risen.


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Nice to see another oil analysis from a different lab for comparison. Do you use a pump to pull your samples? In addition to viscosity, there are significant differences in your iron readings from both labs which is outside the range of normal calibration differences.

Does the elevated iron align with your switch to hotshot extreme?

What Stanadyne additive were you using before?
I sample hot from first 1/3 of pan drain splitting the flow over the sample bottles held together. A bit messy but the best I will do. The elevated iron aligns with the change in engine oil but I don't test every oil change. The switch to Hotshots Extreme occurred around that time but I don't keep accurate records on that. I was using Stanadyne Lubricity formula prior. It would be interesting if anyone else tested while using Hot Shots Diesel Extreme or any other solvent based additive that would support the theory?