[G2SKIER]

For on road...I’d definitely recommend a purpose built snow tire.

That being said...I go off road very often and the snow doesn’t stop me. There is nothing that can beat an aggressive mud tire in off pavement winter conditions. Big tread voids and wide footprint combined with wheel speed are the only things that make moving in multiple feet of snow doable. Knowing how to drive on road is a major part of mud tires in the winter.

Try looking at the the discoverer a/tw or the discoverer m+s. They’re dedicated snow tires for trucks. I have experience running both and they’ll work well on road yet won’t wear out as fast as the blizzak type tires.


Here’s my 35x12.5 falkens chewing up the white stuff. They run wide, and aired down, the footprint is over 15” wide.

Now here we have both axles pushing heavy snow and the front bumper acting like a boat. Lost a little speed and had to bring the tractor out to the rescue. Broke through the crust that was 12-18” deep with another 2’ underneath of that.

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[G2SKIER]

Mud tires are all sorts of wrong for snow. The compound is not geared remotely for cold and despite 'aggressive' tread looks, they are the wrong tool for the job. Ive been moving through multiple feet of snow for over 20 years and just like on-road, snow tires are superior. The appearance of the tread has very little to do with traction, its the makeup of the compound, biting edges, and effectively placed sipes that do it. AT tires are not dedicated snow tires, they are AT M+S tires that lean a little toward snow, enough to get the severe snow service rating, which still pales in comparison to an actual snow tire.

AS tires rank better than AT in snow in most every test, by a slight margin.

That said, nothing will keep you from getting mired in multiple feet of snow reliably, especially when you dive into it purposefully. You can get away with stuff, but you cant be as reliant on it.

Blizzak is not the only snow tire design out there, it has its downfalls andwear is one of the major ones. Lots of snow tires available that dont wear like that and follow different engineering. If you want snow tires, get actual snow tires. Theres lots of confusing terms and conflicting info out there combined with peoples opinions. They figured this stuff out a long old time ago.

I bought my truck with the ZR2 package to “purposefully” go offroad. That’s the whole point. You go ahead with your skinny short tires with me in a snow excursion and I’ll take my wide flotation like tires that act as a paddle in the snow with the large and deep tread voids. I’ll go further every single time. It’s simple physics in weight distribution. Why do snow machines have wider and longer tracks with deeper paddles? It’s been proven over and over that unless you can reach the bottom, flotation is the best bet.

This isn’t the 70s anymore. Any modern tire has to meet nationally set specs for tread compound to be marketed with even the M+S rating.


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[G2SKIER]

I suspect the "mud tires are best for snowy winter off road conditions" may be a misconception. Personally, I never have, and maybe never will have mud tires, so I can't do any testing myself. I don't have much interest in taking a truck on tough off road trails in the winter either, since an icy slope very easily leads to body damage, or danger.



I've tried to do some reading on the subject, and any article written by an industry journalist seems to conclude that mud tires finish last in every category of winter driving, even "deep snow."


The lack of availability of 35"+ snow tires, as well as cost, sidewall construction, appearance, and other factors seem to steer off roaders from adopting snow tires in the winter for off road use.

“Personally, I never have, and maybe never will have mud tires, so I can't do any testing myself. I don't have much interest in taking a truck on tough off road trails in the winter either”

In my mind, this disqualifies you to have an accurate opinion on the matter.

That being said, the “deep snow” testing they do is usually a foot or less of powder on a packed snow road. A front wheel drive car can push through that with some good snow tires.

I know as a fact that anyone who does actual snow wheeling will be running mud tires or aggressive all terrain tires in a wide size. They simply don’t make the dedicated snow tires in a size to accommodate the big trail rigs that go play in the snow. There’s not a market for them because these people buy wide mud tires to float and paddle through the deep stuff.

Am I saying they’re good on road? Absolutely not. That being said, to say they’re not optimal for snow wheeling is just incorrect.


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[G2SKIER]

I think these guys know what they're doing, and I don't see any mud tires.

I see WIDE and LARGE VOIDS. I don’t see skinny blizzak tires....you just proved my point for me. Thanks!


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[G2SKIER]

I love those handmade icelandic gummies.



I will go up any day on my 31.5 General snows off road in the snow against any 35 mud.

I would LOVE to see that[emoji23]


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[G2SKIER]

It appears that you purpose found an image with siping. There are no images like that within the first page of google search. I’m well aware of these trucks and they almost ALL use a mud tire. Mickey Thompson Baja Claw to be exact. Straight up wide mud tire with huge voids.

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[G2SKIER]

Lol what happened to this thread? If Tom is looking to drive on the street then winter tires will do far better than any all season or mud.

I’m not sure. He did not specify whether he would be taking any endeavors off of the pavement. I commented that for on pavement, a blizzak style tire would be his best option. Since he did not specify as to what kind of driving he would be doing,I decided to share some facts about mud tires for deep snow driving. Apparently there are a lot of people here who have stock in dedicated snow tires.


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