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With the latest round of EPA thuggery, the thought occurred to me to pick up a ^&*ete kit just in case the plumbing goes bad down the road. Then I got to wondering how long tunes would be available from our Canuk friends. Then we have the specter of inspections and such. The EPA has overnight created a new class of criminal and perhaps altered forever the opportunity for many to own and maintain a diesel.
 

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No part of the EPA enforcing regulations prevents anyone from owning, maintaining, or repairing these trucks. Just because you can’t defeat the emissions devices doesn’t mean you can’t maintain or repair them yourself. That’s quite a jump to try and justify not being able to tune and delete anymore.


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"Tuning Tourism" may become a thing. Drive to Canada, receive the tuner, or get delete tuned, head back to the US. Sounds crazy, but it could be worth it. All I know is they are gonna have to pry my GDE tuned Canyon from my clutching fingers.
 

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If it wasn't for California and New Jersey enacting stupid emmision rules, the EPA would probably not have changed anything.
I think it all started when rolling coal became a fad. Some idiot was probably in front of a person driving a Prius and blew smoke in his face. Then he went on the internet all bothered and whiny. Instead of sucking it up like a man....
 

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Not interested in "rolling coal" or other hooligan type activity. I just want to enjoy my truck with as little expense and Imperial interference as possible. I guess that is too much to ask.
 

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Yep, no rolling coal with this tuned diesel either, the DPF is still in place and working less hard as the EGR is off, allowing it to burn cleaner. DEF is still on too. I submit while it no doubt pollutes more than stock, it is "good enough". The main driver for me to tune was to turn off the EGR system. You can't believe how much better these 2.8s run when they are when relieved of EGR...
 

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"Tuning Tourism" may become a thing. Drive to Canada, receive the tuner, or get delete tuned, head back to the US. Sounds crazy, but it could be worth it. All I know is they are gonna have to pry my GDE tuned Canyon from my clutching fingers.
Until you’re stopped at the border and told you can’t come back into the country.
 

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Until you’re stopped at the border and told you can’t come back into the country.
CBP doesn't check for or enforce EPA vehicle regulations so, yeah, no going to happen.
 

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Until you’re stopped at the border and told you can’t come back into the country.
Playing along for a minute, the authorities would have to flag the 2.8 owner as a "diesel tuning risk" search the truck, find the evil AutoCal programmer and actually know what it is. Intact tuning involves no visible or mechanical changes to the vehicle, it is all in the ECM programming. Assuming in a hyper abundance of paranoia, one did not flash the ECM until later, even plugging into the OBD port would not yield any clues. Having a problem at the border seems extremely unlikely.

All this talk of sneaking goods across the border brings up memories. Used to drive up from Bowling Green OH (where I went to school) to Canada with my '79 Dodge truck on "beer runs". Bed loaded with cases of real beer from Canada under the snap down tonneau cover. Sneaking real beer into the US was a good little side gig back then, and having Canadian beer made us campus Gods. Other guys were jealous, sexy girls swooned and gave themselves freely for that sweet Canadian nectar. Life was awesome.

While not illegal to do so, if it was found, there would have been a bunch of taxes to pay. I would always "forget" about the beer part of the equation :sneaky: Different times back then in the early 80's, America was basically a mass produced crappy Bud/Miller/PBR beer desert. We have it good now on the craft beer front. Even as a snot nosed college kid, I knew there was better stuff out there, and procuring it was a stupid adventure :LOL:
 

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CBP doesn't check car computers driving across the border, but they can, and do poke in your laptops, drives and phones looking for other evils, mainly kiddie porn.
Will it come to CBP checking your vehicle computer, radio or music stick? Depends on how sneaky the pervs get.
And then CBP may not care what hack is going on. But CBP inspects standards and enforces laws or a multitude of three letter agencies. So, never say never.
 

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CBP doesn't check car computers driving across the border, but they can, and do poke in your laptops, drives and phones looking for other evils, mainly kiddie porn.
Will it come to CBP checking your vehicle computer, radio or music stick? Depends on how sneaky the pervs get.
And then CBP may not care what hack is going on. But CBP inspects standards and enforces laws or a multitude of three letter agencies. So, never say never.
I fail to see how CBP or any other govt agency or official can “poke in” any electronic devices without a warrant. That’s a 4th amendment violation.


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CBP doesn't check for or enforce EPA vehicle regulations so, yeah, no going to happen.
It's not CBP you have to worry about, it's the USBP. Why would CBP stop you from entering the US? You are on the right track though, USBP doesn't enforce EPA regulations so bringing back a tuned truck from Canada or Mexico isn't a problem.
 

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... USBP doesn't enforce EPA regulations so bringing back a tuned truck from Canada or Mexico isn't a problem.
Until they charged to do so, which could happen if the Feds believe this has become a big enough issue.
 

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I fail to see how CBP or any other govt agency or official can “poke in” any electronic devices without a warrant. That’s a 4th amendment violation.
They can, and do. Yes, the warrantless searches are being challenged against the 4th, but CBP Customs officers have constitutional authority to search anything at ports of entry on mere suspicion without a warrant. This was made law in the 1700's and is one of the broadest authorities given to any federal or stage LE agency. Customs officers must be able to enforce law and seize or reject anyone or anything attempting to enter the country. They are the country's bouncers.
 

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Yep, no rolling coal with this tuned diesel either, the DPF is still in place and working less hard as the EGR is off, allowing it to burn cleaner. DEF is still on too. I submit while it no doubt pollutes more than stock, it is "good enough". The main driver for me to tune was to turn off the EGR system. You can't believe how much better these 2.8s run when they are when relieved of EGR...
I still have all the EPA crap on and truck came with a DuramaxTuner on it and running. Have no clue if that shuts down EGR or not, but it does run great. Just not looking forward to the inevitable day things plug up and cost me thousands.
 

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It's not CBP you have to worry about, it's the USBP. Why would CBP stop you from entering the US? You are on the right track though, USBP doesn't enforce EPA regulations so bringing back a tuned truck from Canada or Mexico isn't a problem.
CBP is the official TLA for the U.S. Customs and Border Protection. There’s no such thing as the “USBP.” ;)


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They can, and do. Yes, the warrantless searches are being challenged against the 4th, but CBP Customs officers have constitutional authority to search anything at ports of entry on mere suspicion without a warrant. This was made law in the 1700's and is one of the broadest authorities given to any federal or stage LE agency. Customs officers must be able to enforce law and seize or reject anyone or anything attempting to enter the country. They are the country's bouncers.
Re-entering the country by itself isn’t probable cause, nor is simply having electronic devices. You said they can poke in devices if they want. They can’t. You just said they can’t without probable cause.

We’ve done day trips across the border and back, I’m not sure if people think CBP is the boogie man or what but they’ve always been nice and friendly, not going out of their way to make their job or the process of crossing the border more difficult then it needs to be.

Lots of FUD in this thread, IMO. That’s not productive.


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I still have all the EPA crap on and truck came with a DuramaxTuner on it and running. Have no clue if that shuts down EGR or not, but it does run great. Just not looking forward to the inevitable day things plug up and cost me thousands.

I have to believe the DuramaxTuner turns off EGR. Easy way to tell - if your oil is not inky black, EGR is turned off :)

My belief is with EGR off, the DPF will receive less soot and last longer. Mine only gets the BBQ treatment every 725 miles. Pretty confident I will not have any DPF issues over the life of the truck.

If it does happen, there are DPF cleaning services now for light duty trucks, you don't have to throw it away. Evidently these companies can "shake and bake" them, heating the DPF super hot, and then blowing huge quantities of compressed air through can flush 'em out. They will also cut the DPF open, clean the element and weld them closed again if needed.
 
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