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I live in Texas which is the wild west at times. It actually seems safe here because guns seem to be everywhere and you just assume people are armed. People are generally very polite, possibly because of this. Correlation does not equal causality and all that. I have been considering retiring to Hawaii. I was researching their gun laws and they are pretty strict - basically you 'can' be issued a concealed carry permit (to meet federal law), but the police turn down all applications, so almost no one has a permit. One must register all handguns when you move to the state, magazine size is limited, etc. Interestingly, Hawaii has one of the lowest murder rates of all US states. Again, correlation does not equal causality, but it is something to think about. It could be that the pakalolo is keeping everyone mellow...
That's exactly what Maryland does as well. I now live in Fl and when I moved here I couldn't believe how I was able to get a FLCW license.
 

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That's exactly what Maryland does as well. I now live in Fl and when I moved here I couldn't believe how I was able to get a FLCW license.
These maps are also pretty handy to determine which other states will honor your permit. Also notice how many states are permit-less carry. I have an IL resident CCW as well as a non-resident AZ CCW which gives me better coverage but still not reciprocated in a lot of states.

 

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I have velcro holsters for my 2 most likely carry guns that I attach inside the console. The Stoker Car Holster looks good but it is obviously a holster and visible from outside.
 

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As a Canadian I find this topic quite funny. Almost nobody in Canada is allowed to conceal carry except the police. Yes there are shootings once in a blue moon but compared to other things it’s almost unheard of for people to get shot or feel the need to carry guns on them or their cars. I’d be worried about road rage. I guess it’s just different in America. I’m not trying to say it’s wrong it just seems a bit crazy to me. Wild Wild West I guess! BTW I’m not an anti gun person or anything and I do shoot for sport. Also we have much tougher laws. For example magazine size is much more limited as are fully automatic weapons.
So sad that the Government up there dictates what you can and can not have, It's not the Wild West!
It's in our Constitution under the 2nd Amendment, and it's there for all of us to be able to protect ourselves from someone or a Government gone off the tracks.
 

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So sad that the Government up there dictates what you can and can not have, It's not the Wild West!
It's in our Constitution under the 2nd Amendment, and it's there for all of us to be able to protect ourselves from someone or a Government gone off the tracks.
Your government is already off the tracks ;) and for that you have the power to vote...who are these rogue soldiers that will come take your freedoms? I don’t think the intent of our Canadian laws is to tread on anyone’s rights to self defence. I own firearms and it is no big deal. Frankly I feel safer knowing my fellow citizens are MORE regulated knowing that it’s harder for the mentally ill or those with a chip on their shoulders to obtain guns, especially high capacity military style weapons. The US is a major outlier in the world when it comes to homicides by guns and mass shootings which are a daily occurrence in the US now. Thoughts and prayers will not solve this. When the constitution was written it was done at a time when people had muskets that could shoot one ball before needing reloading which you cannot compare to the mass lethality of weapons of today. Each country must decide what is right for their citizens. Right now the majority of citizens in the US want more sensible laws. Unfortunately this will never happen with the gun lobby (whose sole interest is monetary) in firm control of the politicians. I feel very safe in Canada and as an owner of firearms I do not wish for anything different. I believe we have a very balanced system in place that results in much less issues with gun violence while allowing individuals to own firearms.
 

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I love reading an outsider's view of our laws and Constitution and what they think it does or was meant to do.

But let's stay on topic, please.


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Think it is getting a little off topic for securing a firearm in a Colorado...

That being said, I started carrying a firearm as a civilian. I didn’t carry because I have anything to prove... nor because I feel it is the Wild West. I carry because normal L/E response is far outside the time it takes for someone with a firearm to shoot up anyplace I go to. What is that saying, “when seconds count, police are minutes away.” Training I have gone through for work... it isn’t that much different than what I had prior (except the aircraft stuff... mainly because I never had a reason beforehand). Yet, that allows me to carry 24/7/365.25... and widely suggested to do so on aircraft. Most carry permits go through enough background investigations to be on par with L/E... so, how is it fair to want me to carry all the time, yet a good person who has the 2nd Amendment behind him is treated as a second-class citizen? My life is more valuable (or less, if you want to consider what I’d be doing) than theirs?

But to also put out... yes, muzzleloaders were what was around during the writing of the Constitution. However, citizens owned the exact same weapons as military... so, technology cannot evolve with the Constitution? You should look into how the 4th Amendment has been applied to cellphones and cloud services... and get back to us.

In regards to laws, maybe I’m not seeing it in the same way. But last time I checked, criminals don’t care about laws... hence they are criminals. Let’s reduce magazine capacities to 10... what does that do? Either makes regular people who do not wish to comply criminals (disservice to society, whatever way you want to cut it) or puts regular people at a disadvantage to criminals... again, who don’t follow the law.

For the name calling between governments, it’s all in the point of view. When I first went into Canada after starting my job, I stopped at your version of my job (CBSA), and went through the standard questions. When it came to why I have odd plates, mentioned I started work up here. Asked if I have a gun? Well, not on me... “What!?!” Secured in my hotel safe. Looked at me as how could I do that... even though I’m complying with the laws of both countries. Really left a bad taste in my mouth... to the point that me going to Canada will likely be far/few between.

But hey, if Canada is so safe... there would never be terrorists bringing explosives across the border into the US, right?

Mods, sorry for taking this further off topic. DieselDrax, sorry... missed your post. One thing that sucks with Tapatalk, can’t see posts that come up while replying.
 

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Problem I have with the methods other than a lockbox is that it can be tempting to "just run in the store for a minute" and leave it basically unsecured, so requires discipline. Recently there was a rash of car burglaries locally in what has always been a very safe neighborhood. The thieves got (at least) 3 handguns out of unlocked vehicles, and who knows how those will eventually be used. My understanding is that regardless of what state you live in, you can't have a firearm on Post Office grounds including parking lot, so consider that also....edit: perhaps not any more Guns OK in post office parking lots, federal judge rules
 

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There are some things you don't really learn until it happens to you.

I walked up on a guy rifling through my truck (Ford Ranger), after hacking the lock with a screwdriver, and taking most of everything he could get, (I got there too late) but in time to give him a face full of pepper spray but not able to stop him from driving away.
MY HG WAS ON ME, NOT IN MY CAR!
Fortunately for me, I have full authority and right to carry my HG into where I was going. But if I couldn't, It would be better to be responsible for that HG and take it home rather than compromise it leaving it in a car.
Yes, the vault is an option. But who knows, if a thief has enough time, opportunity, and tools to open it, you got big trouble.

And don't bother asking why I didn't pull my HG on him. I wasn't faced with a deadly threat, period. I had castle doctrine and I had "Stand Your Ground", but I didn't have an assailant with a deadly weapon and I had other options to avoid a conflict. The only reason he got the pepper spray was to prevent him from stealing something extremely valuable he hadn't gotten yet.

If you don't have the freedom to carry your HG for protection, get ahold of your politicians, elected officials and laws before the criminals get ahold of you.
 

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As a Canadian I find this topic quite funny. Almost nobody in Canada is allowed to conceal carry except the police. Yes there are shootings once in a blue moon but compared to other things it’s almost unheard of for people to get shot or feel the need to carry guns on them or their cars. I’d be worried about road rage. I guess it’s just different in America. I’m not trying to say it’s wrong it just seems a bit crazy to me. Wild Wild West I guess! BTW I’m not an anti gun person or anything and I do shoot for sport. Also we have much tougher laws. For example magazine size is much more limited as are fully automatic weapons.
if we were not allowed to carry, we would all have ended up as Canadians......
 

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I am also Canadian, and am incredibly envious of the Second Amendment and the right to keep and bear arms.

The Canadian government, without any democratic process just banned a raft of guns which included three that I owned, all "military style assault weapons". I'm out something in the neighbourhood of $15,000, if you add up all the accessories, ammunition, optics etc that are now useless to me. As of right now, there is no plan to do anything except prohibit me from doing anything with them except keep them locked up for public safety for the rest of my life. They're just "too dangerous".

I'm LE, and carry the same gun that I'm apparently incapable of owning privately without being a crazed mass murderer, every day. Except now, I can't practice with it except one, four hour annual re-qual per year.

Cherish your rights, my American brothers. Socialism is a slippery slope, and Canada is tumbling down that path much too quickly for my taste. Hopefully there will be an election soon and Turdo and his lovable band of Communists can be ousted. Because all I want from the Government of Canada is for me, and my paycheque, to be left the f*** alone.
 

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I am also Canadian, and am incredibly envious of the Second Amendment and the right to keep and bear arms.

The Canadian government, without any democratic process just banned a raft of guns which included three that I owned, all "military style assault weapons". I'm out something in the neighbourhood of $15,000, if you add up all the accessories, ammunition, optics etc that are now useless to me. As of right now, there is no plan to do anything except prohibit me from doing anything with them except keep them locked up for public safety for the rest of my life. They're just "too dangerous".

I'm LE, and carry the same gun that I'm apparently incapable of owning privately without being a crazed mass murderer, every day. Except now, I can't practice with it except one, four hour annual re-qual per year.

Cherish your rights, my American brothers. Socialism is a slippery slope, and Canada is tumbling down that path much too quickly for my taste. Hopefully there will be an election soon and Turdo and his lovable band of Communists can be ousted. Because all I want from the Government of Canada is for me, and my paycheque, to be left the f*** alone.
You are much too decent people to do what needs to be done. I predict that after China takes Hong Kong, then Taiwan, Russia will take Canada and Alaska.
Much was learned recently on how to take land when the Russians took the Crimean peninsula, and how to destabilize a country with a virus pandemic experiment.
Today in the USA, half of the population doesn't have enough sense to know what it takes to remain free. They think freedom will always be there. Freedom will always be challenged by someone. Very short sighted selfish people focused on their own failure and who's going to pay for it. At the very least, every American should be willing to have arms and be willing to defend the country from attack. But these days, I believe when the attack comes, there wont be any will to resist; no ability to work together and no stomach for sacrifice, casualty or blood.
Remember the Alamo, but LEARN from Goliad and Auschwitz. Don't believe promises, don't surrender, don't be rounded up and don't get on the train.
 

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I knew I liked scotticus!

Really tho, why conceal it? You can open carry in your vehicle, it's private property.
Just put in center console when out of vehicle and bring in at night...
 

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Well, I am the weapon, and the gun is a tool, so mounting the front seat works just fine.
 

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No,No,No! Dont do it!
If you must have a firearm, and there are alternatives, have something that you won't mind getting stolen.
 

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Where ever you have it, it needs to be in immediate reach. Having to open/unlock something to get it makes it useless if really needed while in the truck. I am getting old and slow so I need it in my hand quickly if an issue arises. Those type of issues never give you time to go looking for something. Mine will be out of the holster and next to me while driving. I only take it if I think I am going somewhere I might need it or know I can take it in. I would never leave it in the truck. Had guns stolen out of locked trucks and out of site. When I take it with me here is where it is.

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